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What if we got back to the First Church's Ministry of Giving in all it's fulness????
||October 19, 2009|363 reads
 

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Beverly Haynes
October 19, 2009
"Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins" (James 4:17).
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Beverly, nice!  Amen!
Old Man of The North
October 19, 2009
Hi Lara me old fruit.  I've actually witnessed people within the church helping people within the church.  But I haven't witnessed people being helped outside the boundaries of that church, yet they have the same problems (some of them have even worse problems), but nobody helps them. And you're right in saying what a witness it would be.  Perhaps if they experienced it for themselves, they'd believe it?
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Amen, Stevie Bee.  I'd never picked up on this til the other day...that we were to help other churches and ultimately, what is the church? The body of Christ, period. Not some denomination or building.
Voice in DC
October 19, 2009
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Keep on dreaming lady! These are the dreams that hope is built upon.

I think it interesting how people will give for someone they don't know half way around the world, but are hesitant to help a neighbor. I wonder if it is because we have tied money to obligation - if you help me, I will be duty-bound to repay you...
Old Man of The North
October 19, 2009
ROTFLOL!!!  Well said Lara.  As I've often said, the church is not a building; its the people in it that make up the church.
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009

Voice, and yet we are to give exspecting nothing in return, and even the Word says that he who gives to the poor, lends to God. He will repay the giver in one way, shape or form.  spiritual blessing are always much more exciting and fulfiling than material.

I knew you'd agree, Stevie bee. Great minds...hehe

Mike n Laura
October 19, 2009
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Lara, that would be blessed. But how do you get around charges of "ecumenism"?
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
excuse me while I go get my dictionary...
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Okay, looked it up.  Isn't that what we want? Unity?
crystal
October 19, 2009
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your right on the mark here sister. The church has gotten off track and are in the name it and claim it stuff. I think we should start out with what we have, like it says in 2nd Corin, and trust God to give us more, then we can give more.If he can trust us in the big things, surely he can trust us in the little things. I'm not one to promise what I don't have. Some big time t.v evangelist encourage this and I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I don't promise is I can't keep. Just recently I heard a preacher say God told him if people sent him a thousand dollars, God would give them a new car for the rest of their life. I don't need a new car, I need my rent paid. The church has lost the true meaning of giving. People look to the government now instead of the church. This should not be.
The Talking Mule
October 19, 2009
Ah, giving...wars with the flesh. They are just using me, besides, I never got nothing. Sound familiar to anyone?
crystal
October 19, 2009
I've heard it Mr. Mule, I don't give to get, I give to be a blessing and then God will bless me. My husband worked for one of those big tv evangelist years ago. One older lady had sent in a hundred dollars so the preacher would pray for her daughter who was in prison. She appologized for not sending more, saying that was all she had because she was old and lived on a fixed income. She said if that wasn't enough, she would send more the next month.That cut my husband to the heart. I wonder if that big time tv evangelist sent her the money back and told her his prayers were free? I doubt it, he lives in a mansion, has a couple of jets, land and dozens of cars. Sorry if I sound charcastic, but I don't think this is what Jesus preached  
Joyful Servant
October 19, 2009
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Amen! I've been exhorting people for a year now to get out of their comfort zones and help people in Kenya or India as examples. We are exhorted to do good to the family of faith (not geographically specific) in as much as it is possible to do so. If people can't give  $10 to send across the globe to the truly starving, chances are they aren't doing much to help their own brothers/sisters under the same worship umbrella at home.

Nonetheless, I encourage any Christian brother or sister to give, give, give!  Let us give with joy and let us purpose in our own hearts how much to give. Who needs new shoes, new clothes, new everything?. God will provide everything we actually need when we get outside of ourselves and trust in Him.

I'm not encouraging here that you should sell all your worldly goods and give to the poor.(I know that the rich man in the Bible was instructed to do this. I think his heart was being tested).Only that you look around you and afar and ask God, "Where shall I give?" and "What shall I give?".  Check out www.jonahsmissions.weebly.com or some of the many other needy missions represented here on mychurch.org

May you see for youselves how God will undertake in your areas of need (not greed and not only materially). 

Lara Leger
October 19, 2009

Crystal, I am best not to go there with some of what's preached. lol  But let's just say we are in agreement.  :-)  I just look at the Apostle's lives and Jesus' lives.  That's our example. 

Anthony, yeah, that's how we think, yet it's like if they belong to Christ, they are our family. If we give to get something back, that ain't a good motive.

Joyful Servant
October 19, 2009

Oh, and I totally agree with Crystal. I am done, done, done with giving to any televangelist who has more than 1 house and one car and can afford to wear the best clothes and send all their children to the best schools. This is not what God has in mind.

Ministry on television and in many places has become a cesspool for people to say they proclaim the Word of God and live like kings, queens, setting up their children and families in mini empires flowing with milk and honey (money). I will not support that when people around me and across the globe are starving.

I would like to see televangelists selling what they have (some of the few who I think should sell all they have or better yet don't accumlate it in the first place) and send everything  to meet the needs of the poor. I also wish they would stop taking money from widows and old ladies and old men living on fixed incomes. They should be feeding these people instead of robbing them. (That is my rant for the day). God for give them and help them all before it is really too late.

Lara Leger
October 19, 2009

Penny, you jumped in there. lol  Yeah, I amen what you say. I do get a lot out of some of the prosperity teachers. They do some good preaching, but I chew up the meat and spit out the bones.  yeah, I am not telling ppl to sell all their goods, either, but I guess it's like we get materialistic and forget about those in need around us.

Joyful Servant
October 19, 2009
I hear you Lara. I do learn from pentecostal preachers myself, that is my denom. Though my little church where I grew up was non-denom., the truth is it was pentecostal and I first began growing out of babyhood thru Word Faith preaching. Now however, I am so turned off by the messages I have heard over the past decades and I like you do chew the meat and spit out the bones. Sadly, there are many that do not know how to do that. Who is responsible for the bitter taste left behind in the mouths of many? These people need to repent and get back with God for he is coming and coming soon. I pray for me too lest, I also go astray. Heaven help us all to remember we are only here temporarily and our task here is not to  live life and enjoy for ourselves but to live life and help others to have life hereafter also. Love and blessings. Praise His Name.
KEN
October 19, 2009
Why did Soloman have so much and the Widow so little?   Why did Jesus tell one rich man to sell all that he had and allowed another (Joseph of Arimathaea) to remain a rich disciple?  Do we sin by being rich in this world?  There are so many poor that the rich could assist. Then they would not be rich in material possessions. I definitely do not have the answer to any of the above questions.
I loved Your ariticle Lara.

Matthew 27:43

When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:

Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Amen, Penny.  It's crucial to stand upon the Word, not twist it.
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Ken, I think it's all in where our heart is. I believe the Lord makes one rich to sow out into His kingdom, not to live high on the hog. If one loves Jesus, these material things will not be so important. 
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
I personally know a few rich Christians that really love Jesus and are generous and help people a lot, so hey. Nothing wrong to be rich, but with it comes bigger responcibility.
crystal
October 19, 2009
I agree. I think God blessess us to to provide for our families, but he also blessess us to bless others. After all, if you don't have it, you can't give it.
 My problem is not with having money, it's the way we use it and use others to get it. I can do with the $12.00 jeans and the $10.00 shoes, I don't need the jeans that cost $100.00 a pair. I dress just fine and I'm comfortable too.
I think when Jesus told the man to go sell everything he had, it was a test. Just imagine what would have happened if he did? WOW!!!!
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009

Crystal, if we sold everything we owned, we wouldn't have very much $$. lol We don't own anything that would get much at a pawn shop, no joke. lol  And personally I LOVE thrift shopping. We got something called Frenchy's here that you dig through bins of clothing. It's fun!  Like a treasure hunt. But there are things I buy new like winter coats I have. My last year's Christmas gift. Wanted something a certain length, certain breathable material, certain style that goes with anything, certain color and couldn't find it second hand.  Didn't feel guilty at all, either. lol    Stuff is....stuff. Nice to have enough $$ for sure. I would love that, personally, though it's never happened since I've been married to my husband, but we've never starved.

crystal
October 19, 2009
same here, I don't go hungary or naked.   haha
My husband loves beans and cornbread, I can do without them myself, but he alwasy if I get hungary enough, I'll eat em. Many out there would love to have em.
The point is start with what you already have. Thats simple to understand
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
lol Yup. I ate oatmeal for a few weeks b/c of lack of $$ this past winter. Not an oatmeal fan, ya see.  But hubby was self employed and had no work for over a month, and you can't get UI if you are self employed.  Soooooooooooo yeah. At least we gots food to eat, even if it's not always what we prefer.
crystal
October 19, 2009
yeah and hopefully soon I can get them tootsie rolls. I haven't forgotten, they're just a seasonal thing. Then you can have tootsie rolls and oatmeal....hahahaha 
crystal
October 19, 2009
so can I !!!!!!!!!! again I say, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009

mmm...Tootsie rolls. lol!

Marcella, really?  Sorry, i think.

ihsallthetime
October 19, 2009
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My friend Lara,

You have a heart for this lost and dying world.  When I became born again and read about the disciples in the book of Acts, I called some Churches to ask why this is not being done in the modern day Churches.  I am still waiting for an answer .  

Let's pray,

Heaven Father, please teach us and show us how to love our neighbors as ourselves so that others can see the love of Jesus Christ in and through us.  I ask this in the name of my precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, Amen.

Thank you for this blog Lara, because I know that this is on the heart of our Saviour.   I pray that our Lord supply all of your needs as promised.

Shalom to you and your family my friend.

Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Amen to your prayer, sister Marcia!  I also have a heart for those who are dirt poor living here in my nation.  It shouldn't be.  I mean, we don't make ends meet, yet we don't starve, either!
Prayer Warrior For God
October 19, 2009
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Awesome job my friend for you sure are good at these. Blessings to you and yours.
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
Thanks, Megan, sis.  Just some thoughts and God's Word. :-)
Evangelist Herman Tranter
October 19, 2009
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Powerful Blog sister Lara and should stir our hearts...
Like what you have stated and I believe God would be pleased if we could get a hold of this and aplly it to our lives...

3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?


Of course to use wisdom we must be led by the Spirit and have keen insight...
Audrey and I have tried to live by this principal and not get caught up in material things...
Blessings In Him... :o)
Herman
Lara Leger
October 19, 2009
AMen Herman. And this isn't a blog to get people to give us stuff. haha!  God's always provided for us when we've needed it so we don't go hungry.  I just see this happen, like people really in a bad spot where they can't even afford decent food, by no fault of theirs and like I feel bad and even kinda upset nothing is done, and I wish so often we had the $$ to help more people.
Leigh Thomas
October 19, 2009
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Christ and the Apostles lived as the poor...God provided their needs.  I just love the movie "Brother Son, Sister Moon" the story of St. Francis of Issici (spelling?).  He gave up all his wealth to be born again and live as Christ did.  It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle (the very small gate of the larger gate to the city) than for a wealthy man to go to Heaven.
The Talking Mule
October 19, 2009
By the way, I added my earlier comment when I was away from home with my new 'blackberry curve'...lol. My God is Extravagant! He gives extravagant gifts to his children (like me).  Jesus said that if we, being evil, can give good gifts, how much more can God, who is perfect, give? He sometimes increases my finances to afford nice things. Other times, He eliminates the bill or has it reduced to almost nothing where I can get it. He wants me to be blessed. I also give extravagantly, too! It is not a one way street. To whom much is given, much is required. I think our blessings are somewhat tied to our giving. He knows our sacrifices, much like the old widow who gave 2 cents but gave more than the others. Plus there is this thing about Him trusting us and if we are faithful with a little, we can be trusted with more. Amen?
CraftsReen
October 19, 2009
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pandabear
October 20, 2009
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EXCELLENT WORD!!! Love you, Lara.
Mike n Laura
October 20, 2009

Lara, returning to my (short) comment above.... The early church, in the first chapters of Acts, was very unified and tight-knit (Acts 2:44, 4:32). But that simply isn't the case today. The "ecumenical movement" was/is an attempt to return to that unity, to look beyond the more superficial differences of various denominations, in order to focus on what unifies Christians, and thus bind us together in a more visible unity.

But question becomes, what differences are worth overlooking for the sake of unity? Can conservative and liberal, Protestant and Catholic, charismatic and traditional, mainline and independent churches all really come together? Unfortunately, to many conservative believers, ecumenism is a bad word. And sometimes this is rightly so. But just as often, the definition of orthodoxy has become too narrow, to the exclusion of many earnest believers.

The unity of the earliest manifestation of the church was astounding, and a beautiful thing. I wonder why they were able to be "one in heart and mind" (Acts 4:32), and to have "everything in common" (Acts 2:44)? We have a much better shot at becoming a diverse collection of giving churches, than becoming a unified church in the manner of Acts 2/4, IMHO. Nevertheless Lara, posts like this one can only motivate us to become more unified, right? Thanks!

 

Coreena
October 20, 2009
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Lara Leger
October 20, 2009

Leigh, we have a cartoon about St. Francis' life.  I am not proposing that everyone go do this, b/c we need wealth to help the poor, right?  I guess it's just being more aware of those around us in need, and yes, sometimes sacrificing our 'wants' to help them with their needs.

Anthony, you're away from home a lot, and on the road, so why shouldn't you have a decent Blackberry?  Just like someone who is driving a lot, in their job or ministry; they need a good vehicle that's reliable.  God provides what we need, and yes, wants too. He blessed me with $120 from a woman at church who told me I had to go buy the winter boots I wanted, with it. I mean, wow!  And I love them winter boots. They are warm, practical and yes, stylish too!  It was fun to go out and buy something new by way of clothes which rarely ever happens.  

Thanks for the star, Maureen, sis!

Panda, amen!  Thank you!

Mike, I totally get what you're saying. In complete honesty there are denominations that are supposedly Christian that I don't see as such, at all, b/c they believe there are other ways to God and that they don't call what is sin, sin.  See, i get all excited when I see like what I saw with my church I'm at now.  our pastor is best friends with the Baptist pastor next door to us.  They pulpit swapped a couple months ago, and it was awesome! So you had our Pentecostal pastor preaching at the Baptist church, and their Baptist pastor preaching at our Pentecostal church (great sermon, BTW).  And we do outreaches together to the community. I believe there is a unity there, in spite of our differences.  We have a common cause: Christ. And the Baptists believe Jesus is the only way and are sound in their doctrine by way of what is sin and what isn't.  Sure they don't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Sure they believe once saved always saved.  I know what I believe is the "line".  Paul instructed us to be like minded, and how that has gone down the toilet, eh?   But anyways, it's God's vision and desire for us too, and you can't fool God on who belongs to Him and who doesn't.

crystal
October 20, 2009
Mr. Mule, I'm not against your blackberry you dork!. I wish I could get my husband to get something to use for emergenciess. His work is in a another stae which he drives every morning, and in the winter at 4:00 am, it's dark. hH's broken down halfway to work and didn't have a phone. I'm just saying I myself can do without one. 
Lara Leger
October 20, 2009
exactly. Someone travels they need a good phone & internet access is great when you aren't home much.
The Talking Mule
October 20, 2009
I carry two phones, lololololol!!! But I have bought and given away more good phones than you can imagine! Drives my wife nutts! Gave her 3 just this past year.
Mike n Laura
October 20, 2009
Your church's partnership w/the Baptists next door is exciting. And yes, ultimately God knows which sheep are his, regardless of how accepting we are.
Lara Leger
October 20, 2009

Anthony, you can keep em. Never owned a cell and don't want one. lol

Mike, it so totally is! Helps that our pastor grew up Baptist.   Our city also has prayer with several different denominations getting together to pray for the city, and they meet at different churches every time.  There have been many prophetic words spoken over Moncton, like it being where a Canadian wide revival will go forth from. Geographically, Moncton is called the "hub" of the Maritimes b/c it is the central place close to everything, and even John Paul Jackson, whom I do esteem spoke a prophetic word of that sort over us in our little tiny city.  I am here for such a time as this. Always believed that since I moved to Moncton six years ago.

Sis Cece
October 20, 2009
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Your right Lara. Where did those days of oldgo? Where we actually followed Christ's example? This is serious. I don't go to any so called Church funtions that are not benefiting those who are in need.
That's me. Thanks for the Post. Good food indeed!


Lara Leger
October 20, 2009
Sis Cece, Amen!  I know I'm more into outreach stuff, although I like the food at pot "lucks". hehe
Sis Cece
October 20, 2009

Outreach, outreach, outreach. My daughter, 18 has been making me put together
food for someone, who is hungry. She has to go out at night to the downtown Denver area and look in the back alleys. We always have a glorious time!
And you made me giggle, what do you bring to the pot luck, or are you like me?
If I go, I bring myself. HA HA! That's good right?

Patrick
October 20, 2009
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Lara, Great post and great comments!  I am living in rural SC - rural defined as more critters than people!  We have maybe 10 churches in town and have been successful in establishing a ministerial association where the preachers get together once a month to discuss common issues and concerns.  We have a weekly prayer breakfast with participants from most denonimations.  We also have an outreach/community-service group that helps those in need - home repairs, assistance paying rent or utilities, food pantry, free clothing (mostly winter items), etc.  Unity is alive here in those regards.  And it is not just Christian to Christian - it is a group of Christians serving the entire community.  We don't ask about church affiliation or if you even believe, when He calls us to a need, we go.

But when it comes time for services, everyone goes in their own direction - blacks, whites, PH, Methodist, etc. all worship independently.  We have had two Easter sunrise services that were non-denominational and fairly well attended.

The point of all of this is that I think by working together on the serving side and through the ministerial association, we are presenting a much more unified front in the community.  And that is our starting point.  As that grows and folks see we have more in common than differences, I hope and pray that common services and worship may come. 

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
pa

 
crystal
October 21, 2009
Lara, when I was a kid, we had a lot of "pot lucks" My mom said we were lucky enough to have something to throw into a pot!!!!!!!! haha
Seriously, some of those pot lucks were mighty tasty.
Lara Leger
October 21, 2009

Sis Cece, that is the awesomest kind of outreach!  And as per potlucks, it's been so long since I've been to one! lol The joys of living so far out of town...but only 11 more days til we move. 

Patrick, that's wonderful, bro! I love to hear that!!!!  I do like that our church has a sheet you can fill out and it has parts where if you need something, you write it in, and if you have something to donate, be it a material object, or your time or $$ or profession, then you write that in. I have never seen that before, although it's probably common among churches.  I think that's great what is happening there in the boonies.  :-)

Crystal, Amen! I grew up in the Baptist church, and there ain't nothing like the Baptist pot lucks! Good eats, indeed! lol

Sis Cece
October 21, 2009
I know. We drive around and ask God to have someone out there that really needs food for the night. We drive through back alleys. Searching. It's hard for the homeless here in Denver because, they have strict lottering laws. When it gets really cold the Police and Rescue crews go and find them and make sure they have a place to stay warm. It took people dieing for them to start though. Do you know that a lot of our homeless are actually sent here to Colorado becuase of the warm weather. They get out of prison or mental institutions and are given a one way bus pass, They send them to Arizona too. Really warm weather. A lot of them are veterens from past wars. I'll never forget, Mr Rick Vanwinkle. He was 60 something. Had a shopping cart full of his belongings. He had frost bite on His feet. We prayed for him and he just cried and tearfully accepted what we had brought him. Which was.... God knows. Do you get my drift? He blessed us more than I believe we blessed him, ya know? My daughters were very young probably 9 and 7. Oh Hallelujah!! I see your teaching your son Gods principles. Good for you. The treasures that are laid up in his heart are priceless.
I rambled on din't I? Thanks for letting me.
The Church Out Reach in Patricks town, is amazing. Now that was what you
wanted to here about right? I'm all for helping my Brothers and Sisters but it seems my heart is for the lost and hurting. For if had not been for the grace of God, there go I.
 
Lord bless all those who give from their heart, wanting nothing in return but to see a smile on those they helped or tears of joy! Amen.
Lara Leger
October 21, 2009
Sis Cece, when Josiah is a bit older (understands) I fully intend to have him be part of the ministry and help those who have nothing.  I think it's good for kids to see this. There was actually a homeless person in Vancouver last year who burned to death in her sleep b/c she was trying to keep warm with a candle b/c Van had an unsually cold winter, like had some -10C weather.  Very sad, indeed. The homeless here, some choose it, some don't.  There are shelters, but many refuse. I can't imagine b/c it gets so insanely cold here. We are talking in Celcius like last year it got to -35 which would be around 30F I think. we know a lot of the homeless here, and their stories. I was wiht Harvest House which reaches out to them, so I met a lot then, and when I lived right in the city.  I am so excited to move back here shortly, to get my hands 'dirty' again, just as Jesus did!
Lara Leger
October 21, 2009
Amen, Jess.  I figure there's a reason. ;)
Debbie
October 21, 2009
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Yep, we've come a long way, baby...in the wrong direction! 
Lara Leger
October 21, 2009
Sadly, I gotta amen that, b/c it's true.  I wish it weren't, as I'm sure you are too.
Lara Leger
October 21, 2009
You DO too, not you ARE too. Somebody get this girl an Expresso please, minus the gut rot. lol
Sis Cece
October 22, 2009
I also want to say,
May God bless you in your move back to the city.
May all that you set your hands to do be prosperous.
Love Sis Cece.
Lara Leger
October 22, 2009
thank you, sister.  I have high hopes and dreams!