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I have a long life friend who is an atheist. She saw a blog I did on Facebook and commented that there isnt a God coz her Mum died and that people suffer! Her argument was that if God existed He would not allow suffering? I replied with the following comment! Stuart Pickering |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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[star!] | I had someone ask me what if I was wrong and there was no God and I was just going to die and that be it like he believed. I said well, I have been happier believing God exists (actually I KNOW) but I said what are you going to do if you die and find out he exists and you are sent to hell. I on the other hand have nothing to lose, you have EVERYTHING to lose if you die without His son. |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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| Amen and Amen - I know family, friends, and ex co workers who are going to HELL if they don't accept Jesus into their lives...
I heard a preacher preach last week about getting ready...and being ready.............Im ready. |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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[star!] | Wow, well said Stu. |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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[star!] | Amen |
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| November 01, 2009 |
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Try carrying your friends thought pattern to its logical conclusion. It begins something like....
"I expect God to do everything I want. If He is real and if He loves me, then He will give me everything I want. And since I also expect this God to treat me the same as everyone else, then He should give them what they want as well."
They basically view God as a divine vending machine.
So now everyone will get what they want. Game 4 of the World Series is going on right now. People are praying for their favorite to win on both sides. So how's this going to end up? He gives everyone what they want, right?
What about all the people who prayed when they bought lottery tickets for this weekend? How many of them got the big money?
Every person ever born has died. This has been going on since people first came into the world. I know your friend says she doesn't believe in God because it seems as though He didn't come through.
But what if God's purpose is not to give us everything we want? What if the nature of the relationship between God and each one of us is different from that? For that matter, how did we start to think that God is supposed to give us everything we want?
Maybe answering that last question first is a good place to start. It may be because someone has ascribed to God an attribute seen in a parent that may not reflect the true nature of God. Sometimes a parent will give us something we'd really like to have if we're having a really bad day. I think it's very natural for people to view God through the lens of how they were raised.
God is sooooo much different from that.
So maybe the second thing to address to what your friend seems to know about God.
There's a line the George Burns movie, "Oh God" where someone asks the question, "God, why do you allow suffering to go on in the world?" God's response is, "Me? I don't allow it. You do."
It's frequently mankind's selfishness that allows people around the world to suffer. And it is our own selfishness to expect God to keep a person here for us when that person is ready to go be with Him. When it's a person's time to go, then we can be joyful for that person because we know that they enter into a body with no pain and suffering and that they are completely filled with a love that we can barely taste now. But God gives us opportunities to encounter that love while we are still here.
So you can talk with your friend about the many ways that God makes available to us to encounter that love.
Above all, I would suggest that you reflect the love of God through your words and your actions. At this point, that may be the first opportunity for her to encounter God. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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| Hi Stu. This is a question I always ask myself. Its just a general question, aiming it at no one in specific, OK? "If I were to only sinner in the world - and you were the only church in the world, would I rather remain a sinner than go to church?" So far, whenever I've asked that question, nobody can truly answer it. And it all boils down to, would I want what you've got? And refering to the gentleman above, it could be summed-up in James 2:14-16 [NIV] with reference to unbelievers (Atheist or otherwise), as many of them are asking something that backs it up. Example (aiming this at myself as not to offend anybody). I can claim to have faith, but somebody else can say to me, show me what you've done that backs it up. Get my drift? |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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[star!] | Great post Stu. Well put. Blessings my friends. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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[star!] | I've heard that before. She's hurting. I sure would like to read what your blog said This was a power punch of a testimony Stu. But will it turn her to Him? I sure hope she starts to really listen. A lot of people don't believe in God for one reason or another. The last time I spoke with my oldest brother. He said he needs proof. Where are the scientific facts that God created everything. So His way to side step believing is where's the proof? And I do know what you mean Stevie. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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And Stevie, I'm really surprised that no one has answered you. Or am I? If my God can raise me from the dead. Why can't he do the same for others. Oh what a lovely time I would have answering that question!! |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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The scientific facts angle seems pretty easy:
Where did matter and energy come from? What determined the relationships between matter and energy?
They had to come from somewhere, and it is not possible for a "thing" to have created them. Thus there had to be a being capable to trancending space, matter, and energy. There had to be a prime mover.
See what happens with that. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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[star!] | I agree with you Stu. I have a friend that's atheist and I haven't really tried 'forcing' God upon him because one he won't listen and two he'll start a religious debate with me and those drive me crazy and make me soo sad..mostly because the person arguing that God's not real..I don't want them to think that way but they just won't change you know? He's made me cry before because of something he said to me once. And the other day he said 'oh your god!' instead of oh my god. It was extremely infuriating.
People shouldn't blame God for their problems. EVERYTHING happens for a reason. I personally think that the reason that Obama is our president in the U.S. now is because God's going to show us how wrong people are you know? He's trying to tell us something. Not everyone's gonna understand it though when He comes back. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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Approaching an atheist needs to be handled the same way that God reaches out to us, by meeting us where we are.
Debating an atheist, or anybody else, doesn't work because it's academic. It very quickly devolves into who has more degrees, who has more books on the shelves, or something like that. Instead meet each individual where he or she happens to be. Work with what they accept to be true and lovingly guide them from there. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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Thanks Gene. I have to write that down. He says it's just a big myth. God, the devil. Heaven and hell. Angels and so on. He was big time scientoligist but left them after, I will be bold enough to say this, my prayers. Now He just survives. But the seed has been planted. And he knew me before I got, as he would say all religious. He knows there's a God. It's just eaiser to deny, than accept what he knows in his heart. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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| I was reading a book about revival within which I found this description of what one will experience in hell: "You will be eternally dying and yet never know the relief that death brings" - when I read this, I stopped and read it again several times. First of all that a situation is so grave that death would bring relief is almost unimaginable - then to know that death will not be available - resulting in eternal suffering. Another description - "an eternal fire that never consumes its victims". If we all understood this, the urgency of sharing the Gospel would be universally felt because not one of us would want anyone to suffer this. |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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[star!] | Good read Stu and I pray that you have sown some seeds in her mind and she will question her doubts. Our lovely Minister would be the first to say that he at one time was an atheist but how God has worked in his life he is a born again ,Spirit filled, Bible believing, Man of God |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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| It seems you're the only one who's answering me Sis Cece. What's your answer Stu prior to what you said - and after you said what was said to this person? |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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Hallelujah! Praise God for those words :) Thanks for sharing this Stu! |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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Stevie the answer I would give to your question is this It would depend on how "the church" portrayed it's self ie;loving and forgiving or critical and fault finding cant'see many flocking to the later |
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| November 02, 2009 |
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| November 03, 2009 |
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| I agree with Liz Stevie! sorry for not answering matey! |
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| November 03, 2009 |
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| That's quite alright Stu, I'm not offended. :-) |
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| November 03, 2009 |
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