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| Ananias and Sapphira-do you think they went to heaven? |
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Acts 5
Do you think they were saved but just suffered the consequences here?
I think at least it prooves that as wives we should not obey our husbands if they tell us to do something against God's will, perfect example.
Did Peter curse them or did he just have knowledge of what would happen to Sapphira also because surely they would have included her in the burial if she was to remain behind a widow. He must have known that she was going to lie and die.
Questions from church last night when Pastor preached , he was asking us...... What do you think? |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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| Juanita....i think there are more important things to think on....these are the kinds of questions that drove me nutzo when i first became a Christian....DOGMA....it's totally useless.....because it can have a different interpretation for a many people that exist on the planet.....Jesus told us that the law rested on two precepts...love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and your neighbor as yourself....now if we (ME and YOU...and the REST OF THE BRETHREN)....can get a hold of that...understand it so it becomes as natural as breathing....then all else will be right....don't ya think....that's what I'm setting my heart towards.... |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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Personally, I love to chase the rabbit trails, too, Juanita! :) As I work throught it in my head, I try to come up with different supporting scriptures. For me, it was a fun mental exercise -- like doing a crossword puzzle. I take situations like that and discuss it with my kids, asking them to come up with the pro's and con's. They're all pretty good debaters now. LOL! But it's always fun, always in love, because we considered it to be acting out the verse "Come now, let us reason together." What I see about the scenario you bring up is multi-layered. What about "once saved, always saved"? What about the verses that speak of the branches that were ATTACHED to the vine, yet were lopped off & thrown into the fire when they failed to produce fruit? (as in "salvation can be lost") What if, in God's mercy, He took Ananias and Sapphria on "home" before they could continue in sin to the point of rejecting Him completely? Just lots of stuff to let rumble around the brain while doing the chores. :) :) :) And yeah, that kind of thing isn't for everybody! It drives one of my brothers crazy, too.
Love ya, Juanita! |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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Ummm I wonder will ponder on it I think |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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hey Mrs.
I would like to think they went to heaven, but to be honest, I don't think they did.
As I read it, I think when they sold a certain posession, they had aggreed to lie BEFORE the deed was done. They had it all planned out. Peter asked Ananias "Why has satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?"
I think Sapphira was given an opportunity to tell the truth, but stuck with the aggrement made with her husband, therefore losing her soul as well.
This must have been a very serious lesson for us to learn, or the Holy Spirit would not have included it in the scriptures. Simply put, they purposely lied, and the word says lieing is a sin. Period. Of course this is just my opinion.
I would like to hear what others have to say about this one. |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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I agree with Crystal...when I read it, the Holy Spirit left them when God struck them dead; what they did was premeditated toward GOD, not just man. That probably didn't go over well with our Heavenly Father. ;o)
LoveLeigh |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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| Well dear friends....I think your god is much more limiting then the one I imagine exists....he also sounds angry, vengeful, and totally lacking compassion. A distingiushed intl scholar once told me who was raised by extreme penteostal missionary parents that as he got older and came of age both physically and mentally. He really didn't take much consideration in the literal translation of the bible except for the words spoken by Jesus himself. Sometimes simplicity is the best, afterall isn't it all the dogma and bickering over interpretations of truth that have led to war, hatred and so much pain......blessings to you all as you try and stretch your brain on potentially contentious exercises that bear no lasting fruit.....I think I'll stick with the plain naieve truth of the Cathedralfolk. |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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sorry, but I'm not TRYING to streatch my brain on contentious exercises.
A guestion was aked and opinions were given. But thats all they are opinions.
Anyway, my God isn't limited, we limit Him |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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| Just chasin them rabit trail with GarmmyB |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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Friends, the God I KNOW exists can and has been angered and according to scripture all vengance belongs to Him alone. He is never lacking in compassion though. For those of you that have never read the "literal translation" of scripture from the Greek and Hebrew texts ought to do so. Interesting !!!
John 1 says that Jesus is/was the Word that became flesh....so He is every jot and tittle. All scripture is the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.....Jesus. Yes interpretations have started wars, led to hatred and much, much pain. In the end it is our hearts that are stretched cause that's where He lives.
Crystal, as per your question, I am lead to believe their hearts were not in what the apotles were doing. Everyone was in one mind and one accord....except those two. Maybe they were just trying to be religious or something. Anyway they paid the price and ended up loosing it all anyway. Peter only asked them why they lied to God. God took care of the rest.
Great post Crystal. Blessings my friends. |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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| Sorry bout that Juanita, I thought I was talking to Crystal for a minute there. That's ok, I luv ya both anyway. |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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Going to church and giving money does not mean you are saved...
Only God knows the heart and He and Jesus are our final judges...
There are lots of things in here spiritually to look at but for lack of time with me I will refrain from trying to cover them..
You might see pride, lying, grieving the Holy Spirit, judgment of God, discerning of the apostle as led by the Holy Spirit, manipulation of Satan... etc...
Lying and coneiving certainly are not of God...
Blessings In Him... :o)
Herman |
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| November 05, 2009 |
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Thanks for the responses folks. Our pastor asked it and it brought up a lot of things that we may believe in erroneously that causes problems. Like I pointed out about if a wife must always obey her hubby. NO, not if it is not honoring God. I know I was asked by my late husband to just go sit in the bar with him, but I refused. I didn't feel I was dishonoring my vow to submit. I was submitting to God first. Sapphira would have remained alive if she had not joined forces with her hubby.
Glad to see the responses. It is all profitable for something or it wouldn't be in there. I love a good logic problem in the crossword problem books and find it helps me to read it and eliminate if this means that then it must also mean this kind of thing. Helped me do real estate title claims and also in the bible.
Love you guys! |
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| November 06, 2009 |
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| November 07, 2009 |
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| they werent believers so no. However Judas did repent and he was alive when Jesus was resurrected. |
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| November 07, 2009 |
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| How do we know they weren't believers? Perhaps just carnal? Just a thought. |
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| November 08, 2009 |
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| hmmmmmmmmmmm, I thought they were believers, but then again, maybe they were like a lot of people today, going to church, hearing the word, and seeing the miracles, professing God, but not actually knowing God. This makes me stop and think about myself Mrs. J |
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