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Glenn
August 21, 2007 at 6:30am

Hey Mike, another great thinking post.

I think that Paul sort of covers what you are talking about in the second half or your post here

3:12 Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may lay hold on that for which also I was laid hold on by Christ Jesus. 3:13 Brethren, I could not myself yet to have laid hold: but one thing `I do', forgetting the things which are behind, and stretching forward to the things which are before, 3:14 I press on toward the goal unto the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

I think the contentment Paul talks about in your quoted verse has more to do with earthy suroundings and our lot in life.  God wants us to be satisfied with whatever gifts or trials he sends our way.  Yes we should press forward in our walk with him and not settle for where we are but press on to win the prize that God has laid before us. 

Thanks again for challenging us with your thoughts.
peace
Glenn
Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 6:43am
Hi Glenn, thanks for your comment (and star)!  I concur completely with you, and a search for all verses with the word "content" further backs that up. Importantly, we have a lot of NIV readers who don't do such cross-referencing. My first thoughts were, Paul, you've just contradicted yourself, b/c you aren't expressing contentment in all situations in what you've written previously in the very same letter! But not to worry, I am sure Paul would echo the Narnians: Further up and further in!
BEVERLEY
August 21, 2007 at 7:02am
Hello again, Mike and Laura
Seems we're on the same page.  I get so, so frustrated and continually pray that every word in God's Word would be engraved on my heart and flood my mind.  It seems that I have hardly skimmed the surface of kowing Him -  I stand in awe of God.
You do encourage us, thanks.
God's richest blessings to you and your family.
Beverley
Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 7:08am
Thanks so much, Beverley. We stand together in awe of God!  ~mike (n laura)
JessIAm
August 21, 2007 at 9:02am

I ask God to work in my heart and soul so that I'm a content person with goals.  I want to be content where God has me, but contentment doesn't mean I'm not working toward a goal.

It's interesting how we can confuse contentment with complacency, but they are very different.  I'm content when I choose to accept my situation.  I can still work to change my situation if I see a need, but I accept it.  It's like someone who works the night sift, for now, so they can get a promotion latter.  I'm complacent when I just don't care.

Ms Melanie
August 21, 2007 at 10:15am
Enjoyed your blog very much, the deep insight into the word contentment.  You are correct and thank you for bringing attention to the fact that it is not wrong to be freely discontent.   Broaden your horizons and reach for the stars... for we have been given goals, dreams and visions to pursue!   Being thankful for what we have and where we are... at the same time a sense of yearning for more coming from deep within... thank you for your GREAT insight.   God gives us that yearning. 
In pursuit of more with a greatful heart... Minister Melanie 
Deb
August 21, 2007 at 11:18am
Great blog again, Mike!  I think we can be content in our discontent, if that makes sense.  It says to be content in every situation...even those that give us discontentment.  We will never be completely content until we reach Heaven.  There will always be more to learn, more to achieve...and more souls to save.  In the process of it all we just have to find that contentment, that "peace that passes all understanding."
Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 11:38am
Thanks Deb, you're so kind. I agree, the mountaintop of contentment is yet to come!

Melanie, I thank you too! Your words communicate great wisdom.

Jess (my new friend), interesting thoughts on contentment vs complacency. Question: am I still being content if I choose not to accept things (myself included) in their current state?
JessIAm
August 21, 2007 at 11:56am

To me, contentment means I accept my circumstances at this moment.  This is always a good idea, since I can't change anything by willpower alone.  When I'm not content (i.e. not accepting things as they are this moment), I can't listen to God very well.

I think I need to give an example.  Let's say I have a sinful habit.  If I accept I have a sinful habit,  that God wants to help me overcome it, that it may take time, but that God can be victorious in this area of my life - that's what I'm calling contentment.  I accept my circumstances, and I have a goal.  I may not like where I'm at, but I accept my situation, and I'm content that God and I are moving forward.

I guess, for me, contentment is a choice.  If I accept that my life is as it is this moment, I can respond.  If I live in a lie somehow (I don't accept I have the habit, I think God hates me for it, I'm impatient that overcoming it is taking too long, or that God can't overcome it), I can't be content.

I guess I equate contentment with the kara joy the new testament mentions.  Kara is one of the two greek words that translate into joy in english.  Kara pretty much means "a serene acceptance that  God is in charge", or "a serene acceptance that God is bigger than my circumstances."

I accept that I have things about myself I wish were different.  I'm content that I'm this way (at this moment), and I'm content that God and I have a plan to change the things He convicts me of.

I'm sure Paul wished he had more money when he had none, but he accepted that situation, and knew God was bigger than his present circumstances.  Did Paul's contentment mean he didn't do anything?

Does that answer it?

Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 12:11pm
Yes, thanks for explaining yourself further Jess, that was very enlightening. I'm seeing that there is a difference between being content "with" all situations, and being content "in all situations" as the NIV puts it. So, yes I can find contentment with God in all situations. But that doesn't mean I am content to stay put in that situation, in that condition, or whatever. I can still be straining, pressing on to more, and greater, and better. I guess it all comes back to what Deb said, "I think we can be content in our discontent." How about that, that lady is a genius!
The Reformed One
August 21, 2007 at 1:54pm
Mike,
Biblical thinking, as usual. I think there is a danger in being content, but we are also called to be content. In a sense, contentedness with where we are now is a early warning sign of backsliding. I think the comments here that differentiate between contentedness with physical versus spiritual abilities. I've heard it said before that in Christ, if we are not moving forward, we are sliding backwards. There is no standing still in spiritual growth.

Funny thing, I sort of wrestled with this in my blog today about how to rest in God's will, but also strain and pray that God's will be done: the old dilemma between God's secret and revealed wills.
Barvubuela
August 21, 2007 at 2:01pm
I bet alot of people get confused about being content, & striving to win the race. Perhaps a bliblical foundations class would be in order with these experpts that would greatly achieve some common ground in a new believers class? Would you be involved in such a type of class currently? Sorta a building the foundations class?
Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 2:05pm
No, not formally. But I rehash the foundations on a daily basis with my kids!
JessIAm
August 21, 2007 at 2:09pm

I love this prayer.  I think it's relevant.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to thange the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time, enjoying one moment at a time.
Accepting hardship as the pathway to peace.
Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it.
Accepting that He will make all things good if I surrender to His will.
That I may be reasonably happy in this life, and supremely happy with Him forever in the next.

 

Norm
August 21, 2007 at 6:35pm

FYI, That's the Serenity Prayer by Reinhold Niebuhr.

 

Mike n Laura
August 21, 2007 at 7:52pm
Ah Jess, in this prayer we ask for the "serenity to accept the things I cannot change" -- so it is the things we cannot change (or influence) that Mr Niebuhr would say we should be content with. But to change or influence the changeable takes more than discontent, it takes courage! (again acc. to the prayer) And finally, as we've already said, pure contentment (supreme happiness) will come when we are with Him forever in the next life. Thanks for posting that, Jess. And thanks Norm for the source!  ~mike
Birdie Courtright
August 21, 2007 at 8:24pm
I think contentment is a matter of perspective that we cannot truly weigh until until we have chosen to move out of safety of our cushy comfort zones. For me, when I think I'm 'discontent'--if I look at the bigger picture, take on a global perspective,  I feel in no way qualified to use that word in relationship to my own experience. I am always content--and that's a tremendous blessing.
6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 6:7 For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out.

JJ
August 21, 2007 at 9:30pm

Would I be complacent if I forgot to give you a star?


Or would I be discontent?


Just kidding. I happen to totally agree with you and Glenn.
Cheers and God Bless

hopefienddave
August 21, 2007 at 9:52pm
Awsome BLOG and comments by all.  Before coming to Christ there was never enough (see Habakuk).  But concerning Christ the more I look for a better walk the more I get.  In short Christ is exceedingly abunadantly more than advertised.
Mike n Laura
August 22, 2007 at 3:39am
"The more I look...the more I get."  That's a brilliant contribution, Dave. I'm so glad you are a part of this community!

JJ, I've never thought of you as complacent, buddy.    (& thanks for the star!!)

Birdie, pleased to meet you! Hmm, I wonder why it says "Godliness (w/contentment) is great gain." Could it be that it is never completely achieved?
Brad Peglow
August 22, 2007 at 7:20am
Well Mike I get your point. However, the passage you've used is one that is constantly being taken out of context. Like right now. There are plenty of passages that deal with what you are talking about. But this on deals more with money. Whether, well fed or hungry, whether I have a lot or a little, weither way I am content . . . because Christ is my strength, my provider, my deliverer. The content of your blog is right on and you always make us think. But you hit a sore spot with me on this passage. Sorry.
Mike n Laura
August 22, 2007 at 7:49am
Yep, I'd agree Brad. I don't think Paul is wrong about being content, I just think it's easy to take him way out of context in that passage. Thanks for your contribution! And sorry about hitting that sore spot, I hope things get back to normal (superb, excellent) for ya. Grace & peace buddy! ~mike
Randy
August 24, 2007 at 5:18pm
Wow, this conversation has been great.  I have learned quite a bit and I must say that Jess is mature beyond his years.
The Reformed One
August 27, 2007 at 5:23am
Mike,
I was just listening to a seminar John Piper taught on Prayer, Meditation, and Fasting where he explained the difference between being content (with temporal circumstances) and being satisfied (with spiritual vitality). He said that Christians should be content, but we should watch out for signs of satisfaction. Being satisfied (when offered water of life, saying "No thanks, I'm full") is an early warning sign of backsliding. The living water we drink from fully satisfies us, yet makes us want more and more. In reality, eternity lasts for eternity because that is how long it will take us to be fully satisfied in God.
Mike n Laura
August 27, 2007 at 9:24am

ReformedOne, most excellent points. THANKS for remembering this blog and posting your follow-up thoughts!! ~mike

Jenily
February 22, 2008 at 7:25am
"I believe what I’m describing is actually a Godly yearning, perhaps what Paul refers to as “straining” in Phil. 3:13. It’s a constant yearning for more, a yearning or dissatisfaction that I hope to never lose (in this life). " You got me on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paul delucia
February 22, 2008 at 7:31am
Hi Mike,      Don't know how I missed this one.............One of Your Best !
Mike n Laura
February 22, 2008 at 8:12am
Thanks Paul! Dude, are you saying you read through that entire list of blogs on my profile, only missing one? Wow, you have a lot of time on your hands! LOL ....just kidding, I appreciate you brother!

Jenily...it definitely seemed like we are yearning for the same thing....let's hear it for spiritual health!!
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