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What an incredible discussion last night! We really talked about a lot of very important issues surrounding our conduct and choices as Christians. On Sunday and on Tuesday, I talked about the difficult decisions I've made to put away the things that keep me from being the example I'm supposed to be. The key passage of Scripture we discussed was Paul's words to the Corinthian church: 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. Now, it's important to read the entire chapter, so that you understand everything that's being communicated. Paul is speaking about things offered to idols, because that was the ethical dilemma facing the early church. Today, it's things like the music you listen to, the movies we watch, and the company we keep. In Bible Study, I talked about the fact that one of the biggest problems we have as Christians is that while we often make good choices, we choose according to the wrong set of criteria. This means that what we do, while it might be obedient to the letter of God's law, is not done to the glory of God. It's not enough for me to stop doing something that's wrong, I must start doing what is right. So, this Scripture is lifted up as a solid criteria for making certain decisions. I've asked you to read this text, consider the choices you make in your personal life, and reply to this blog with your questions and comments. I'll be answering you specifically right here, so that others can read the dialogue between us. One last thing: I thought long and hard about all of this last night, and another important question came to mind. Why is it that we hold so many comforts so close to our hearts? Why is it that we spend so much time trying to figure out how to hold on to things we know bring God no glory at all? Shouldn't we be devoted enough to His glory to release some things simply because it presents a potential hindrance to our witness? Anyway, think it through, and give me your thoughts. Don't forget about the very important meeting on Thursday at 7! In His Grip, Pastor Tim |
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| September 05, 2007 |
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In our house hold, we approach parenting with a good cop/bad cop technique. Most of the time I'm the diceplinarian or as i prefer, THE PUNISHER. My daughter has no doubt in her mind that I love her dearly. And she understands that i love her always and unconditionally. She knows that I'll never put more on her than she can't bear. When she used to get in trouble, (my baby been angel at school this year!), we always sat her down and talked to her to make sure she understood why she was in trouble. A few times she would tell us what she did to get in trouble, tell us that she knew it was wrong before hand, and indicate that she knew she would get punished. So often I catch myself knowing i'm about to do wrong. Knowing how my Father will be disappointed, i turn up my headphones and blatantly sin. I've learned that the term sin was derived from a Greek archery term to mean "missing the mark". Are we missing the mark when we aren't even trying to hit it? Is there anything worse than sin? It hurt me more to know that my daughter wasn't even trying to please me even after consideration. Are we hurting God more when we ignore him? I kinda picture God as Willy Wonka going "don't. stop. please." sarcastically. (Am i wrong for using Willy Wonka? Something ain't right about that movie) As my daughter matured those responses got few and far between. I guess all that unconditional loving is paying off.
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| September 05, 2007 |
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Good points! The main thing about sin is that we make it mean something the Bible doesn't say it is. The definition you've discovered is exactly right. So, how does that definition affect our decisions about which way we go? You should have brought that last night, brother! I don't know that there is anything worse than sin, because not trying to "hit the mark" is a sin in and of itself. There is no question that God does NOT want ot be ignored, that's why he's very clear in Exodus 20:2-3: 20:2 I am Jehovah thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Notice that he begins his statement of a law that would be the exclusive code of conduct for generations to follow in this way: "Just in case you don't know, this is who I am, and I better have first place in your life." Any time we ignore or neglect or even make God subordinate to anything else, we sin right then and there. |
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| September 05, 2007 |
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| So we have talked about the clubbing, drinking, bad movies and music, but how about the complex issues, such as tithing. We all know we are supposed to do it but many times we as disobedient to the Word. Is this something that will keep us out of Heaven as well. I always figured it wouldne't because the deacons always say, "bless this who gave and those who wanted to give but were unable." What if it is truely in our hearts but we simply don't have the money to give? And the age old question, is it 10% of gross or net? What if you know the church is not spending the money to the betterment of God's kingdom, do you still contribute? |
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| September 05, 2007 |
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BLOGGERS ALL OVER THE WORLD, PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER, COMING TO YOU LIVE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, IT'S KIMBERLE JOHNSON...YEAHHHHHHH! :) Now that that's out of the way, I think the first thing I want to comment on is about tithing. First, I don't think not tithing will keep you out of heaven because tithing doesn't put you in heaven. The only thing that we 'do' to get into heaven is accept the sacrifice made by Jesus when He died for our sins. We don't tithe, or remain obedient to any of God's commands, for that matter, to get into heaven. We tithe because God has required it of us. I can personally testify to tithing and not tithing, and I mean not tithing after I knew better. Giving the Lord that little 10% (gross) multiplies that leftover 90% like you wouldn't imagine! On the flip side, keeping that little 10% wipes out the 100% quicker than you can say tithe. Now, that's not to say that when I was tithing, I never had any financial difficulties. The thing is, those financial difficulties were to teach me a lesson that I needed to learn, and trust me, the lesson wasn't "tithe when you feel like you have the money to." I think that tithing is as fundamental as not lying. Everyone knows that it's a sin to lie....even folks that aren't saved know it's not 'right' to lie. Tithing is the same thing. Ever Chrisitan should know that they are supposed to be giving God their first fruits of every increase they receive. That's important. It's not just about paychecks. If you get Christmas money, I think you should give a tithe of that money. Any increase. And because tithing is fundamental, we don't get any 'pats on the back' for doing it. You don't expect to get a gold star for telling the truth. Telling the truth is just what you're supposed to do...but tell a lie and let someone find out your lied to them. There's going to be some consequences. Same deal. You have the option to not tithe, just like you have the option to do everything else. Just know if you choose wrong, there will be consequences. The other thing is that tithing is not the same as giving an offering. It's like this. When I ask Faithe for a kiss and she gives me one, it's great. But boy oh boy, when she just comes up to me and gives me a kiss on her own, ump, that's the good life! God is pleased when we tithe because we are being obedient to His Word, but when we offer him an offerning, it's an unsolicited display of affection. The offereing is the 'above and beyond' portion of our giving. Now, about worrying where your money is going or how it's being spent, to be frank, that's not really your concern...to a point. I have been taught that we are to bring our tithe to our local church where we worship and fellowship. I would hope that folks are attending churches where they know that the people's giving is being used improperly. I don't know how you can be fed from someone who you think is stealing your money. That's just me. I feel like if you think your church is mismanaging the money, you should address the issue and if nothing changes, that shouldn't be your church. In our age of television ministry, I don't know if I agree with tithing to a television ministry in lieu of tithing to your local church. For me, it's in the same vein as watching TV ministry instead of joining a local church. Okay, so I think that's my spiel on giving (can you tell that I'm a little bit passionate about Biblical giving?). Now, what do I say about the sin discussion? That one's going to have to marinate for a minute. I'll get back to you on that one... |
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| September 06, 2007 |
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Important question. First off, let me be very clear that the Bible teaches the Jesus alone, not works or anything that we do, is the only way to Heaven: 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (emphasis mine) The things we're speaking of are things that keep us from intimacy with God, not keep us out of heaven. Now, Paul asks a very important question that we would do well to ask ourselves from time to time: 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? So, what that says is that we can't just sin and take God's grace for granted. We must work to come to a point where our faith is woven into the fabric of everyday life. An important area of obedience is in our giving. What does the Bible say about giving? Good question...Look for a blog on that tomorrow! :) |
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| September 06, 2007 |
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Thanks Kimberle! I think that was a helpful testimony. I have been a part of a ministry for a while that I really felt was the end all of churches until I found out about so many things behind the scenes that really crushed my spirit. Specifically my spirit in giving! I really struggled with whether we give to the church in obedience even if we did not agree with the use of some of the funding. You were absolutely right in saying that maybe we should not be part of ministries we just didn't feel comfortable giving to.
As my faith matures, I see differences in my outlook already whether it is about tithing, partying, or disrespecting others. |
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| September 06, 2007 |
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Hello everybody! Regarding the issue of watching certain movies, listening to certain music, etc. I have been in a place before where I'm like, I'm cutting all of this out but I didn't stick with it. Part of that was due to a lack of discipline, but I also wasn't filling that space with holiness. It was kind of like, turn off the TV (silence, crickets), ok that was fun, now let's put in a DVD, as opposed to pick up my Bible or pray or what have you. I felt heavy and burdened with trying to change myself instead of letting God change me. I stopped focusing on what I needed to take out and started adding in the Word and meditation time with God and those things began to fall away. Out of habit I have tried to go back to some of those things and simply didn't have the taste for it (which was disappointing). Adding in Light takes away a room full of darkness (John 1:5).
Now, there will be a time where you get to a place where you really need to start cleaning house and do some of the hard things. Get in the Word first, spend more time with God and you will not want those things anymore. This is coming from someone who's favorite movie is GoodFellas and favorite artist is Biggie Smalls. I still have them, but do not enjoy them. I said, I still have them, I am a work in progress like everyone else. Don't be too hard on yourself (see Romans 8:1), but start working on adding in light and your tastebuds are guaranteed to change. |
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| September 06, 2007 |
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Nikia, You are so right. God isn't asking us to get rid of mess just to get rid of it. He wants us to have more time to spend with Him, ultimately, but in addition, more time for just holy fellowship and such. I think the main thing is to keep life in balance. It's not that we are supposed to sit around and read our Bible for 12 hours of the day and pray and mediate for the other 12 hours of the day. We do have time to hang out with friends and read books and even watch TV. The question is, what do we do with that time? How do we use our free time? What is being fed to us during our time away from the Bible (notice I didn't say our time away from God. Huh, that makes me stop and think right there. When I sit down and listen to xyz or watch abc on TV, I'm really sitting there with God listening to that or watching that show. Pray for me because that should probably make me want to stop watching a lot of different things of TV, but I really don't feel like I will.) I'm rambling now... |
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