I'll be honest, I was originally going to answer the same way that Pastor Tim did. It follows the law of universal negatives (taken to the extreme) which says that basically something can't be proven not to exist, however there are a couple of problems with this. Do I believe that unicorns exist? If I'm being honest, I would say no. Can I prove that they don't exist? No. And if I head down this path, at some point I have to concede that there are things I don't believe in even without conclusive proof that it doesn't exist. So throwing this at a non believer as the basis for my belief on a discussion board would tend to be problematic. And that's also not the reason I believe, nor would I expect it to convince them. (BTW, as I say this still was my initial thought for a response. :) ) Sue, I would take it to mean that it's been proven to you. JJ, I get the feeling we're going to have troubles with word definitions again. :) You say " there is no proof in Faith" and yet you list proofs for your faith. Let me do a word picture again. You have a beat up old car that you've had for 20 years that has never failed to start on the first turn of the key. Yet other people look at it and say, there's no way that's going to start, it looks like it's been abandoned. On the other side of your yard you've got this shiny red corvette that is a classic. Well except for the fact that there's only one spark plug in it. If there came an emergency and you had to get in one car, which one would you get having faith it would start and which one would you get into hoping it would it start? Which do you have a guarantee on starting? We have faith in the Bible because we've seen evidence of it's Truth (and truth). We have faith in Jesus because He first sought us out and affected our lives. We as believers all have evidences in our lives of ways God has changed us. But that wasn't the question. :) The question again: "If it was proven without a shadow of a doubt, that there was no God, would you still believe in God?" If I was replying to the board (which I didn't) My answer has to be no. The idea that Christians have to be idiots (non thinking, believing in spite of evidence) tends to be a little insulting. Now before you go about trying to disprove God because I said no (which I assume is the purpose of this thread), there are some things to consider. In order for you to disprove God, you will have to prove Jesus didn't exist. And from a historical standpoint, you're going to have trouble unless you rewrite history (which does seem to be the tact you're taking) because among historians it's a foregone conclusion that Jesus walked the earth. Then since that doesn't work, you're going to have to prove that Jesus wasn't who He said was. Have you examined His actual claims to be able to answer these? Again historically this is troublesome as there seem to be numerous accounts from numerous people that He did what was said. From an archelogical standpoint, you're going to have trouble. While you continue to dig searching for the missing link, many things that confirm the timeline and facts laid out in the Bible keep surfacing. Science cannot be used to prove anything in this equation. You can't prove the supernatural with science (since science is the study of the natural world). Whether it's big bang, darwinism (which is incompatible with the big bang theory) or such you eventually have to answer the question out of nothing, something? And how? So let me ask you this. If it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists, would you still not believe? ----------------------- In the end it's not any less argumentative than what I rejected earlier. Which is part of why I wouldn't post it elsewhere. :) | 
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