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Don Swanger
October 30, 2007 at 10:12am
Thanks for putting this info out, Jess.  The knee-jerk rumors that fly around the net about such things make me nuts!
JessIAm
October 30, 2007 at 10:15am

Your Welcome Don,

I'd love a roll of the mis-minted coins, though....

JayKTX
October 30, 2007 at 10:55am

Ok. That's good but it raises another question. Has anybody seen the new coins that have "In God we trust" around the outside edges? I mean actually on the tiny outside grooved rim of the coin. I've seen some and I don't know what to make of it. Is it also a rumor that they have been moved to the place of greatest wear where they will eventually rub off? And a part of that rumor is that this is the first step toward getting rid of them altogether.

Anybody know anything about this? 

Lara Leger
October 30, 2007 at 11:10am
As long as it's not symbolic!  Yipes.  The US is more godly than Canada, as far as I am concerned...at least people can say "Jesus" in government!
JessIAm
October 30, 2007 at 11:21am

** Rant Alert **

Sorry, but I just get this way sometimes. 

I think we Christians have developed a bad habit.  We assume the world is out to get us, decide it's our job to stop them (like God can't?), and bully the world into doing what we want (using politics mostly).

Jesus never used a coin with the phrase "In God We Trust" on it.  I think He is more concerned with me showing love to the person next to me, than the statements on the coins my government issues.  I'm just praying that God will work in my heart so I can show His love in all my life - including how I use my finances.

Deb
October 30, 2007 at 11:24am
Thanks for the information.  It is good to know.
GrowingInFaith
October 30, 2007 at 1:30pm
<JayKTX> - I don't think it's a matter that they'll get worn off or anything like that. 

But it makes for good fodder for conspiracy theorists. 

Most were saying, early on,that it was GONE ALTOGETHER...but they weren't looking at the sides (the early photos were just head-on).

We, as Christians, are by nature NOT OF THIS WORLD, but we're stuck in it until death or Christ's return.  That being said, we SHOULD be on the alert for the world working against us, but we also shouldn't create issues where they aren't. 

12:16 And they brought [it]. And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's. 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

There are bigger issues on this planet we Christians should focus our efforts on - like spreading the Gospel in the limited time we have, not worrying about whether or not the things of this world, of which the enemy is king, say "In God we Trust", when obviously, so many trust in things other than God.

God Bless!

Robin
October 30, 2007 at 1:30pm
Jess, I agree fully with your statement.I also feel we must make our views know in the government...if we had done so years ago perhaps abortion would not be legal. I do agree God and "stop them". He does however need those through whom He can move. I think it boils down to balance. Loving others is the key!!! I hope I come across some of those coins myself.
~Robin
Kat
October 30, 2007 at 2:00pm
I've seen the coins with "In God We Trust" on the outside rim. My first thought was that maybe someone was attempting to appease both sides on the issue of whether to include it. I wish they'd tell us how they come to these conclusions.
JessIAm
October 30, 2007 at 2:08pm

Thanks GrowingInFaith: I agree.  We're both saying the Great Commission is the best priority for Christians to pursue.   

Thanks Robin: I'm not sure we fully agree.  I see many of the endeavors Christians follow these days are attempts to change culture without involving God and His power.  Politics cannot change the human heart.  As God changes more hearts through the Gospel, culture will change automatically.  I certainly try to be as available for God to use me as He wants me to be.  I also realize He can accomplish everything He needs to without my help or involvement.  He's God, after all.  I agree that loving other people is the key.

Thanks Kat.  I'm sure there's something on the Treasury site about why they chose such things. 

Gene
October 30, 2007 at 4:46pm
Jess, in a slightly related story I just read in a newsletter than a judge rules that the United States Treasury is in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act - because all it's paper money is the same color and the same size.  There's no way for the visually impaired to tell a one dollar bill from a hundred. 

Maybe we should all hang onto those dollar coins and then get ready for the five dollar coin, ten dollar coin, twenty dollar coin, fifty dollar coin and hundred dollar coin (anything larger than that and you'll need to write a check!  Can we suggest what they'll look like and say?
Ragland
October 30, 2007 at 6:50pm
Rumours are rumours.  When rumour mills work late night there is chaos and confusion in any country for that matter.  Gene.  In our country the different denomination of currency have different sizes in addition to the markers ( embosed ) meant for visually handicapped people to identify the denomination of currency. We also have coins of one rupee, two rupee and five rupee and not beyond.
Don Swanger
October 30, 2007 at 8:23pm
Personally, I've never been terribly wrecked over whether or not our money has "In God We Trust" printed on it.  Given that the phrase is there mixed in with Masonic symbology, I'm not certain the government has ever been talking about my God anyway.
Kat
October 30, 2007 at 9:49pm

Jess,

You and I agree completely on the role of politics. I agree that we should make our voices heard where possible. However, the world has always gone its own way, pitied itself and expected the Church to deliver it from the consequences of its collective actions through social programs and good works. I know of no biblical precedent for this kind of thinking. The Church can only point the world to Christ and follow after Him herself. There is something about the presence of Christ in a life that eventually breaks the cycle that binds us, but He converts the world one heart at a time.

LaTisia
October 31, 2007 at 5:31am
Do we really need our money to say "In God we Trust"? IF I  come across a coin or bill that did not say In God we Trust I will just simply tell whomever I give it to  I Trust In God.. and I hope you do too..Besides your not taking it with you when the Lord comes so just keep your Faith and dont worry about the" Words" on our money ,,Worry about spreading the Word by mouth..God knows we can't fight all battles but our faith will keep Him alive.....
JessIAm
October 31, 2007 at 9:22am

Thanks Gene.  I didn't think about that before, but I think it's a valid concern.  Should anyone not know how much money is in their hand for any reason?

Thanks Arlene.  I guess my view is this: the popular acceptance of Christianity in the USA is an exception in human history.  It isn't the rule.  That's why Paul didn't address national politics in his epistles.  I'm concerned that some view that God somehow isn't bigger than the government.

Thanks Ragland.  I totally agree.  I'll look up some Indian money on the internet.  I'm interested in seeing it.  Judging by the art in Indian culture, I'm sure the money is beautiful in it's own right.

Thanks Kat.  Christ is the only answer.

Thanks Latisia.  I totally agree.

Kat
November 01, 2007 at 1:42am
Agree with most of what is said on this blog. Good sensible people here.
JessIAm
November 02, 2007 at 9:00am

"Where is your passion for God?"   "I guess we Michigan people are wired differantly."

Arlene, I understand how people can be very passionate about their viewpoints.  These statements are calling someone's relationship and sanity into question - merely over a difference in opinion on a Biblically minor issue.  Just because I may not have the same passion, or have a different viewpoint doesn't mean I'm not passionate about God, nor does it mean I'm wired incorrectly.

My biggest concern is that any believers are willing to think this way about other believer. 

Romans 14:1-5
1 AS FOR the man who is a weak believer, welcome him [into your fellowship], but not to criticize his opinions or pass judgment on his scruples or perplex him with discussions.
2 One [man's faith permits him to] believe he may eat anything, while a weaker one [limits his] eating to vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats look down on or despise him who abstains, and let not him who abstains criticize and pass judgment on him who eats; for God has accepted and welcomed him.
4 Who are you to pass judgment on and censure another's household servant? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he shall stand and be upheld, for the Master (the Lord) is mighty to support him and make him stand.
5 One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike [sacred]. Let everyone be fully convinced (satisfied) in his own mind.

Don Swanger
November 02, 2007 at 9:02am
Arlene and all: I would not question the passion or motives of those believers for whom these are pressing concerns.  Personally, though, I find a need to choose my battles carefully.  And to ask where my energies and commitments will have the greatest overall Kingdom impact.  In a pluralistic society, I as a Christian need to find ways in which I can participate and bring distinctly Christian principles and values to bear in ways which demonstrate their wisdom and value.  At the same time, I need to recognize that I cannot and should not attempt to force acknowledgment or assent to distinctly Christian doctrine upon those who are not Christians.  As a nation, this is a very fine line that we walk.  And as Christians, it is one that we must walk carefully, prayerfully and thoughtfully. 

Political impact is a two edged sword.  There are things worth fighting for.  Issues which should be uppermost in the Christian's mind when looking at national policy.  But we must be very careful about giving government power to decide issues based on religious arguments or favoring a majority religious belief.  Because if we do, we will very soon find that we ourselves have given the power and the precedent to use that same government authority against us.  We may be able to muster a 'moral majority' on a given issue.  But when we are in the popular minority, what then?
 
Our greatest impact is made not through the political clout we wield, but through the power of the practical love and servanthood we demonstrate to an unbelieving world.  The Holy Spirit has called us to be a community of faith for a reason...so that we might demonstrate among ourselves and to our neighbors precisely what an outpost of the Kingdom of God looks like.  How well are we doing?  Are we showing the world a clear picture of what God's presence and life and desire really is?  Do we have something so radically different on all levels that affords us a reference to which we can point and say, "Now look here.  You can see the signs.  The wonders.  The love.  The healing.  The justice and the mercy.  You can see the passion for the lost and the broken, for the widow and the orphan.  Something new and radical is breaking through into the world.  Something wonderful.  You need to turn from what your life and world are fixed on because those things are dying and they're killing you with them.  You need to turn because this that I am showing you is real.  It is God's Kingdom.  And it is breaking in now." ?
JessIAm
November 02, 2007 at 9:09am

Thanks Don,

That's pretty much my viewpoint.  The one thing I'd add is this: do we really want to rely on a secular government to be responsible for enacting Spiritual power?

God's given you a powerful gift for prose!

Don Swanger
November 02, 2007 at 9:29am
Jess,  I don't believe we CAN rely on secular government to enact spiritual power.  As for the other...um...aw shucks...(blush)...thanks.
Kathy
November 02, 2007 at 9:46am
Good discussion here, Jess.  I agree with you.  Christians are quick to jump on the rumor bandwagon and think the proverbial "they" are out to get us.  Spirituality should be ours to guard, not the government's.  See my related thoughts here:  Let's Not Put Prayer Back into Our Schools
JessIAm
November 02, 2007 at 9:48am
Thanks Kathy.  I think it's a human trait to blame other's for our own misfortune.  I think conspiracy theories are an example of that.
Singin_4_God_4eva
November 04, 2007 at 12:01am
Wow.  I didn't know ANY coins had been made like that (can't I EVER be kept in the loop? XD)!  And, since I know it doesn't mean anything, I can say this freely:
THAT'S COOL! 
Anyway, thanks for sharing that information.  My aunt's a coin collector, so she'll LOVE to hear about this.  ^_^
JessIAm
November 12, 2007 at 4:27pm

Howdy arlene, I don't have a problem with anyone's viewpoint.  I may not agree, but that's cool.

I do have a problem with statements like "Where is your passion for God?"   "I guess we Michigan people are wired differantly."  These statements call other people's relationship with God and their thinking into question in a manner that puts them down.

Passion for God and anger over how people treat Him aren't an excuse to tell people there is something wrong with their commitment to God, or their thinking processes.  I accept that you may not have intended to question people.  The words used were centered on other people, and strongly implied that the other people had a problem.

Victorious
December 11, 2007 at 10:57am
I'm a coin collector, and got them when they first came out. I saw the wrting on the side and answered af ew e-mails with the correct info, good to know you're keeping folks informed.
I didn't get any without those precious wlors, but God will provide...
:)
It's funny how many people in Xinjiang (China) believe we are all Christians because of what it says on our money. May we be able to all represent that well one day (vent: oooh some of those 'rappers' and Madonna should take off those crosses unlesss they repent)
LorenDP
December 11, 2007 at 11:04am
Didn't Christ say that we shouldn't be surprised if the world hates us?  Why should anything that a secular government does surprise us?  Conspiracy or no conspiracy.  We should just keep living the lives that we are supposed to live.  Love one another.  Show the world the love of God.  That's really all that matters.
JessIAm
December 11, 2007 at 11:05am

Thanks Victorious, I didn't know that about people in China.

Thanks LorenDP, that's precisely my point. 

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