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Reinventing the wheel
||October 31, 2007|532 reads
 

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rosie burns
October 31, 2007
WE DO TENT TO GET SET IN OUR WAYS....NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT PHRASE UNTIL I GOT THERE...LOL  WE SHOULD COME AS LITTLE CHILDREN....
dave buckingham
October 31, 2007
Oops did I really post that already?
LindaSue
October 31, 2007

I guess there's "new" and there's "new" lol.

The new that we are in Christ has nothing to do with the new that we once were in our physical bodies at the time of our physical births into this physical world. . . .at this time, that is. We are made new in everything BUT body as we await His glorious return. . . .and it's THEN that we get the "new" bodies. Kinda very much the opposite of our natural lives where we get a new body and then grow up and learn wisdon. In Christ, we are made new and spend as time growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord, and growing to be more like Him in this world. . . and at the *end* of our new life of faith---that is when we get the new body.

LOL--it is like having it done this incredible, almost unbelievable way that is counter to everything natural, God is once again demonstrating His superiority in ALL things, even the natural order of the universe itself does not limit HIM!

Whoohoo! What an awesome God we serve. Talk about the real master of the Universe!!

 

LindaSue 

 

 

Jen D
October 31, 2007
I'm new here but I was drawn to this post. I've long felt that God is too big to be contained in any one label. There are things in each denomination that speak to me and none has all of the answers. When pressed for a denomination I tell people that "I attend a Methodist church" and leave it at that. I look forward to not needing to break people apart into denominations. We'll simply be believers.
Pastor Randy
October 31, 2007

There is a difference between letting your guard down and being teachable.  The guard isn't totally bad, it will help protect you from deception.  The Scripture does instruct us to not believe every spirit, but to test the spirits to see whether they come from God.  The first test is that what is being taught agrees with what has already been revealed in Scripture.  This is hard to do if you are not familiar with Scripture or proper principles of Scriptural interpreatation.

Much of what is being taught in some Charismatic circles is based on an allegorical interpretation of Scripture.  Instead of just taking the Word for what it says plainly, someone has to attach symbolic meaning to the words to try to communicate something that isn't there in the plain English of the text.  Allegory means the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions, of truths or generalizations about human existence.  When applied to Scripture, allegory becomes using symbolic fictional figures and actions to express truths or generalizations about God.  When used properly this can assist us in understanding God's Word, when used improperly we can be deceived into believing things that are false and coming under the influence and control of misguided people.

Somehow the general idea prevalent today is that denominations are bad.  This is not necessarily true all the time.  Denominations are only bad when people who belong to them place their trust in the denomination as their source of salvation rather than Jesus Himself.  Sometimes denominations can provide a safeguard from error.  The Scripture warns us to be on our guard because there are many false prophets and false teachers loose today.  Most of them would never qualify for ministry in a large number of denominations that are true to the Word.  The only way they can operate is to work outside denominational structures where they cannot be called into accountability for their lives or their teaching.

Jim Jones, of the infamous Jonestown suicides, applied for credentials with the Assemblies of God as a young man.  After going through the interview process he was denied credentials with the A/G. In this case, the denomination made the right decision, and who knows how many souls were saved as a result. Sure, Jones went to another denomination and got credentials, but that doesn't mean all denominations are bad or that all of them fail.  I heard or read someone remark that "independents are not against organization per se; they are only against organization in which they are not in control".

On an interesting side note, you said  [quote]It would sure be nice if there was a time that when some one asked us what we are if we could simply say that we are Christians.[/quote].  The fact is, the term Christian was not an identifying name that the believers in Jesus gave themselves. It was a possibly derogatory nickname given to the believers in Antioch (probably by the unbelieving Jews) as a result of their successful ministry of teaching and discipling in that area.  The reason we cannot just say that we are Christian is because there are so many different winds of doctrine out there, and there are several facets to the elementary principles of the doctrine of Christ besides just being born-again.

From what I have been reading from you lately, Dave, it sounds like there are some specific issues you are struggling with and someone is bringing confusion to your mind.  If you would like to message me privately I would be happy to discuss any concerns you are having right now.

Pastor Randy 

 

Suzanne Taylor
October 31, 2007
You have a point.  To paraphrase a favorite verse, we are saved by faith through grace alone, and not by our denomination.  It is a gift of God, not of a local church, lest any subset of believers should boast.  Actual verse here.

That said, we also need to be affiliated with a local body of believers.  We can help each other grow in our faith and knowledge of Christ, plus keep each other accountable (and humble).  Pride is a problem for most of us and a group of believers to help us keep it real is the best way I know to remain teachable. 

Most churches are affiliated with some denomination or other.  As long as they are preaching the true Gospel, I say find a place where their approach to ministry is something you want to be a part of -can get excited about- and stick with them.  Don't worry so much about the devisiveness - the enemy uses that, first, to keep us from uniting in ministry and, second, to introduce negative thoughts about each other in our minds.  Reject all of that junk.  Set your eyes on the goal and keep on keeping on

In our community, there are a few interdenominational ministries that are not aligned with a specific local church.  Many denominations come together simply to share the love of Christ with a lost world.  We can't be the only city with ministries like that.  Maybe a little research can lead you to a group in your community like that.  Here's a link to one of ours.

Blessings to you as you sort this all out!
Voice in DC
October 31, 2007
Dave, I agree with Pastor Randy's statement about accountability and it is one of the good things in a structured church. I would also say that the Assemblies of God are some of the most flexible of the denominations I have seen - there are others, but the AOG churches are consistent and responsive to what God is doing. When my wife and I use to travel a lot, we would always look up an Assemblies of God church to attend. We were only let down once.

I tend to look at the different denominations as personalities in the church. To use a rather lame example to show my point...everybody doesn't like opera, but some people do...everybody doesn't like country music, but some people do...a few people will like both opera and country music, but most would feel very uncomfortable in the opposite setting.  Doesn't mean one is better than the other. Just means people are different.

I attend a nondenominational church that, like Lara, tends more toward pentacostal most of the time, but not always. I find great comfort in the worship there and find it easy to worship in spirit and truth...that is where the comfort ends, though. The preaching/teaching challenges me every week and pushes my comfort zone to draw me closer to Christ.  I like that. That fits my personality.

One thing I don't like about a lot of independent churches is...well, there independence. Even my pastor knows he can stray, so not only does he surround himself with a group of elders, but he is an active member in a loosely-aligned fellowship of pastors that hold each other accountable on a regular basis. 

Sorry for the long comment, but I did want to mention my take on the whole denomination thing.
dave buckingham
October 31, 2007
I really apreciate the input from every one.  Personally I belong from a non denominational denomination.  LOL.  I think accountability is very important.  I've always been a big fan of that purpose driven life book.  Sometimes especially as time gets shorter and shorter. I'm cautious as to whether I'm being loyal to my church or christ.
Suzanne Taylor
November 01, 2007
I think it's good for all of us to ask that question from time to time, hope.