Good discussion, guys. Keep it up - the church needs to continue to engage such interesting dialogue! I think Garry understands the situation here - that's it's like a square-circle just in case we understand omnipotence as "infinite power" (though I would have issues with this particular definition, it's sufficient for our purposes here). What needs to be corrected is what it means to be self-contradictory. Now, keep in mind it isn't objects that are self-contradictory but propositions. That the atheistic objection boils down to an omnipotent God creating something that limits that power shows, in a more obvious way, the inconsistent nature of the "thing" to be created. If this does not strike one as "obvious" like a square-circle, this might be because notions of "squares" and "circles" are descriptions more prevalent in our day-to-day understandings. Therefore it is correct to say that if God were not omnipotent, then such a thing could conceivably exist. But that also means that neither proposition contradicts the other ("God is finite" does not contradict "something God cannot do"). One final remark - Malachi 3:6a. The passage here is about God's fidelity and character, not about his omnipotence (cf. Hebrews 13:8). But to attach a better understanding of omnipotence, it would be better defined as, in the words of Thomas Flint and Alfred Freddoso, "maximal power" (see their important seminal essay at http://www.nd.edu/~afreddos/papers/mp.htm). |