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A few years ago, we moved to a little town called Paris, Indiana. It is so small, that we don't even have a post office. Well, I didn't realize it, but we have some pretty neat history at our new place. It turns out that the road I live on was once radically pillard by the legondary John Hunt Morgan. The Morgans Trail runs right in front of my home! I was shocked! I have never been a history buff, but this was interesting to me. I wondered why God would move me to a place with such a painful history. I think about teachings I have heard about some land being under a curse. I then asked myself, " Is is possible this land is crying out to God to be redeem?". Hmmm. I don't know the full details of Gods plan, & I am sure there are as many opinions about this subject as there are flavors of ice cream. So, whats your opinion & do you have a history right in front of you that is worthy to be told?
If you want to know more about John Hunt Morgan click here. http://hhhills.org/jhmht/raid.html
8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
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| Not reallythey say once upon a time John Dillinger wouldn't rob banks in Terre Haute because of getting railroaded. |
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Joey |
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November 16, 2007 at 2:04pm |
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| Maybe God knew you would would "tell", Shannon! God knows you! |
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| Dave & Joey....I am confused by both of your comments? Oh well. Maybe I need to get my mind off of my first Starbucks Moment coming up! |
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Shannon,
Lisa Bevere has a great book that addresses the fact about the earth groaning in travail. Her book is called "Fight Like a Girl."' She and her husband John have an awesome insight into the wisdom of God's Word. If you ever get a chance to read anything they have written, it will be life-changing. My mom is reading John's newest book, and said it is phenomenal! (I just can't remember the title right now!) Their ministry is called "The Messenger", but I can't recall the URL either! :o) So sorry, I don't have time to google it, my girls need me to referee right now... :o( |
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Just to Clarify Shannon;
Once upon a time there was a famous bank robber here around Terre Haute by the name of John Dillinger. He wouldn't rob banks here because there are so many railroads and there's a chance of getting railroaded while getting away. Back home there's a place called Rogues Hollow. A lot of outlaws and such used to hang out there. to this day many people say it's haunted. I don't believe in hauntings but I believe in amny ways we open doors to demonic activity. Terre Haute has had some occult activity in the past. Perhaps some prayer meetings and annointing may be necesary to couter act some of these things. Personally I believe that we should focus on praise and worship. |
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| Well, there is a community down home called Digby,and back about a hundred years ago, some missionaries "cursed" the place (I know, I know; not good; maybe they thought it was shaking the dust off their sandles), and let me tell you, it remains so to this day; a great spiritual oppression and rejection. These things are real! But God is bigger, and Jesus came to remove all curses. "Perhaps you were put there for such a time as this" (Esther). Spiritual warfare. |
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| Oh, I second the motion on reading anything you can get your hands on by John Bevere. He is really inciteful and annointed. No marshmallow fluff. I assume Lisa is similar. |
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JessIAm |
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November 16, 2007 at 4:35pm |
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| According to family legend, my family is descended from Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots. She had a problem with Protestants. In fact, she persecuted them (I think Charles Wesley was one of them). I've always been a little pleased that God led me to Him through protestant churches (I was saved in a Presbyterian church). |
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Gene |
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November 16, 2007 at 5:27pm |
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Shannon, my daughter lived in a similar piece of history while in college at the University of Kansas. She and some friends rented a farm house just south of town. It turns out that when they went into the attic there were all sorts of charred rafters. Their farmhouse was one of those that survived Quantill's raid on Lawrence.
The raid is an important part of Civil War history and cemented the animosity between Kansas and Missouri that lingers to this day. The article also provides a link to the origin of the term "Jayhawk" for anyone who is interested. The raid is part of the basis for the movie "The Outlaw Josey Wales."
I guess we'll see who has the last say in the border wars this weekend on the gridiron! |
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| On the John Bevere thing I went to a bible study thing at a local church that featured some of his writing it was good stuff. |
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November 17, 2007 at 2:16am |
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| the only interesting history on my street where i live (that i know of) is my house was build the same year i was born and i believe my exneighbor said it was finished in september the month i was born...thought that was cool....now you know how old my house is.....also we've lived here longer than anyone else that has ever owned this house......it was build for me....lol |
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| I know over the years I have noted several business properties that seemed cursed. No matter what business opened on those sites it failed. Most were eventually torn down and became parking lots. |
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WOW! Thank you for all your comments! I just now found time to check them all. How very interesting. All of your stories are great! I never realized how much I enjoyed history stories!
On another note, I have been involved in some Holy Spirit led counseling before. We ask Holy Spirit to reveal things that need to be repented of. There were timed we would be taken back to places in our ancestry & told of their sins that have affected our entire geneolgy line. So, we would repent for the sins of the fathers, & thus is was forgiven. I realize some ppl disagree with this type of ministry, since they dont beleive, but I do. Also, have you ever seen Bob Larson in action? When he cast out devils, they almost always were lingering around from way back when. I find that so interesting & very important. |
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November 17, 2007 at 11:04am |
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Here's my experience in renouncing sins from previous generations. I grew up in a town where some immature believers started preaching that any Christian who hadn't spoken in tongues wasn't saved. One variation that I heard was that the Holy Spirit wasn't working in a believer's heart until that believer spoke in tongues. A lot of new believers were bullied into speaking in tongues (some were even forced to stay in a room until they spoke in tongues). It was just a serious mess. It taught me to distrust people who require other believers to speak in tongues, and generally distrust any believer who did.
Since I've brought it up, I better present what I think of the gift of tongues. The Bible plainly presents it. I don't have a problem with people gifted with it. I'm concerned when people use the gift in an unbiblical manner (where's the interpreter?). I oppose anyone who preaches, by word, attitude or action that other believers aren't saved if they don't do X, when the Bible doesn't plainly teach that X is required. X = speaking in tongues, voting Republican, participating or not participating in Halloween/Christmas/Easter/Thanksgiving, reading their Bible and praying daily, eating broccoli, etc...
OK, back to the my point. I prayed over my preceding generations. Praying for one generation, I felt I needed to renounce the actions of Mary Queen of Scotts. She persecuted Protestants (after doing some more research, it may have been Mary, QoS's mom, Mary of Guise, who allowed the persecutions. God knew whom I meant, though.).
After I renounced the actions of my ancestor, I was able to be more accepting of believers who speak in tongues, even to the point of trusting them (assuming they were trustworthy people).
1 Cor 12:11
All these [gifts, achievements, abilities] are inspired and brought to pass by one and the same [Holy] Spirit, Who apportions to each person individually [exactly] as He chooses. |
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I wasn't sure where you were going with that tongues thing for a minute there, but then I see it now at the end. Very neat Jess! That is a witness, a testimony to the truth of repentence. It shows how the sins of the land form our opinions on certain matters.
Think of the ppl who live in Sin City. I am sure their minds are framed to think very differently than say, a hillbilly in Tennessee.
Thanks for sharing! |
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| Hey my home church. Read this article I pasted a link to. It says that the same Morgans Trail went through Versailles. They stole like $5000 or something. |
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Gene |
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November 17, 2007 at 1:45pm |
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Ooooooo, generational sin. An interesting topic for a blog on history. Here's my take:
I do not believe that we can do anything to affect the fate of those who have come before us.
(For that matter we cannot do anything to affect the fate of anyone. We can pray that the Holy Spirit will offer faith to those and intercede in the lives of those around us - but it's up to them to do something. And, those that have passed on are in the care of God now. It's up to Him.) But I digress. Jess, you're a bad influence! lol
Perhaps the most pressing verse on generational sin is from the first five books. My personal favorite is in Numbers:
14:18 'The LORD is slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of fathers upon children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation.'
I'm not sure that the "sins" are a part of the life of the following generations but more that guilt of that initial sin and the potential for continued sin in that area. I think its interesting that psychologists have determined that it takes at least a full generation for an attitude to change. But there's more. Within a family, learned patterns of dysfunction take several generations to be undone - 3 to 4. And, there's more. They have also determined that where there are genetic tendencies in a person (such as alcoholism) it often takes 3-4 generations to "dilute" the genetic material enough to remove that tendency.
So while I do not think that we bear individual responsibility for our ancestral sins we do have a responsibility to follow Jesus an break the chain of sinful behavior that our prior generation may have left for us.
Sorry if I opened a can of worms for you, Shannon. |
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November 17, 2007 at 1:49pm |
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| I don't believe in generational sins, but I do believe in spiritual and psychological generational influence. That's the sense I was praying for about my ancestors. Notice that I was denouncing actions/attitudes of my ancestors, and not asking forgiveness for my ancestors sins. |
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| Speaking of Ancient path's I recomend investigating a lot of Craig Hills writings or check out family foundations international we site. |
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Well, thank you all for your comments. I believe that the fruit of that sin can be passed on. Like, anger. I mean, serious anger problems. A spirit of anger is birthed through sin or trauma & the fruit of anger is being transfered down from generation to generation. I suggest ya'll watch one of Dave Ramseys deliverance sessions. It is a real eye opener to the spiritual warfare scene.
Alot of ppl are against Dave. Not me. I believe it all.
I cannot say that I can ask & recieve forgiveness for a past sin of another. But the action, or the fruit of there sin can be reversed if we humble ourselves & seek repentance for our nations sins. God will not turn away a deaf ear to the cries of the righteous. Remember Lot. God would have been willing to hear Lots plea of repentance for the sins of Sodom, but there were not enough righteous in the city to change Gods mind. Perhaps judgement has been declared of a piece of property because its unrepentive sins performed on it are like Ables blood spilled out on the ground. ( God said the ground cried out from Abels blood, from Cain murdering him. )
Just think, if enough of Gods ppl got together & repented for the sins of those around them past & present, then began to prophecy to those dead bones ( as eziekiel did ) & call them forth to live! Just think what would happen! The earth is crying out to be freed from the evil of mankind. That is why the land cries out for the manifestation of the sons of God. Wow. This is long. I shall pause. |
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November 17, 2007 at 8:48pm |
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Lot didn't repent for the sins of the people around him. He pleaded with God to spare the city if there were a few righteous individuals. There is a big difference. You're right in that the consequences of that sin will continue. For that we each need to examine our lives and determine whether what we do is based on our actions or on the learned behavior from our family.
I agree that we should pray for the salvation of the world and the repentance of those around us. But what we are asking is that the Holy Spirit bring to them the awareness of their sins and the path to salvation. There is nothing we can do that will remove their sins. That act is their responsibility. Each person must make that decision. |
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Gene~ Thank you for your comments. I believe I said the same thing in my comment above. Only Jesus can take away the sins of the world.
I believe Lot must have had repentance on his heart for the sins of Sodom. Why else would he had pleaded for it. It may not say that, but emotions of repentance would seem to be the reason Lot felt bold enough to debate with God over the city. He knew God was a merciful God & may change his mind if he could get enough in the twon to repent, but he did not have the numbers to support & AGREE with him. Which shows the power of Agreement.
I understand what you are saying. I just like to understand the why behind the action. |
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| Shannon, it is correct that Morgan came through Versailles during the war. That is why South Ripley is called the South Ripley "Raiders". The mascot is a man riding a horse with his sword drawn, the horse is rearing back I believe. Also, at the Ripley Co. Courthouse in Versailles there is a plaque describing the raid brought on by Morgan and his raiders. |
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| Josh & Rachel~Wow! That is where the school name came from? I would have never thought. Not a very good name to name a school after. You know, we were the Southwestern REBELS in my school. Thats not so good either. I am not sure why we got that name. |
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